[-empyre-] From lurking, to confession .....

["nancy" <nancy@sistero.sysx.org>]

hi ok from this mail i will react because i often find my self lurking
because all my commenta are either reactionary or i have no time and just
scann like a modern day person and think ok i'll really read that one
through and respond with this very insightfull thought full  response and
then do neither because i know it is an extreme either way but ok enough
idle chit chat...
r I am well aware that these practices are often seen as
> the cancer of list culture.
well the tern of virus/cancer  could  be used in a more 'positve' and
'inviting' term of 'simply a person that decides [feels most comfortable ]
to live  and breed in the subjugated edges of life'
or to see the amazing potential of these apparent 'errors or impurities\  
as vns matrix that we  'so often' forget say-
'Identity explodes in multiple morphings and infiltrates the system at root'

> unless I speak up, I could actually be
> damaging the very archive I want to access, and that this practice is
> deeply institutional despite purporting to offer a new model, because
unless you work the conference network, you face a similar fate.
i feel all cooked up now but this is a good point actually and why i now
respond, the margins the unsettled elements of society that ususally cant
find a validation of their existance to  speak up at the very limited
social rules and protocols that are given at most of these - although we
must persist...the old saying work from inside out is one i always keep in
mind

> .	And how our research processes are adapting to take on more
> conversational or transient archives.
well i'll try and purport to this one but there are so many rules and
protocols that keep us from doing so.... i feel anyhow

> 1) Jonah Brucker Cohen's Bumplist, a game of
> 'survival of the fittest' which showed how a list community actively
> shapes its lineage and how list content is created by an ever-evolving
> collaboration. Jonah called Bumplist, 'an email community for the
> determined' a
i know johah so this is not personal . BUT i mean this 'survival' model is
VERY problematic type of 'behaviour' -indeed i mean this whole concept  of
dawin ' survival of the fittest is what i fight against every day -=its
fascist essentially...  here in regads to social darwinsim i will quite
bauelaire april 1853
'there are solemn excesively solemn individuals, who have made no study of
nature, and who generally mjake everyone around them miserable. I do not
know why i think of them as reekng of Prodestantism. They cna neither
understand no allow such poetic ways and means of passing the time.  They
are the smae individuals who will gladly given a shilling to the poor man
on the condition that he stuff himself with bread, but refuse him a
farthing to go and slake his thirst at the nearest taver. When I think of
a certain calss of ultra-reasonable and anti-poetic poeple at whose hands
I have suffered so much, i always feel hartred pinching and gnawing at my
nervouse system.'
 Coco Fusco, her
> sharp mind is second to none, I don't feel ashamed to admit I would be a
> little
> apprehensive to enter a debate with her. ;-) Is this because I am
> stupid, or is it because as yet, the list hasn't levelled its playing
> field. Or is it because meeting in person, perhaps at events like
> ISEA2004 are still a better answer?

well its also alot about intimidation and  cultural capital [as you
probally know] i also think that things are a bit more complex these days
-the divsions of class race gender that coco fuso goes on about actually
much more intertwined in every day life situations its hard to not
re'polarise them - i see that being don way too much
>what standalone benefits are there from list
> participation, that might encourage some more lurkers (like me :-) to
> enter the arena?
well just people speaking more maybe and not trying to be so clear and dry
i really dont know but well your mail sparke dme and i'm a lurker. so ..
i put myself in 'the ring' so to speak [also people are busy as shit  - 
well iam i only write becasue i am dong my weekly radio show [on th last
pirate free speech staion in europe RADIO PATAPOE 97.2FM AMSTERDAM
http://freeteam.nl/patapoe]

> Many writers find that it is through the actual act of writing that a
> deeper understanding is obtained
get over Fusco-fear! ;-)
 ok x : p
nancy
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